#COVIDMS Breakfast COVID..You will be Socially Distanced


Early morning Light breakfast reading…..It seems the UK Government want to use to “herd immunity”, so enough people get infected, recover and have immunity such that the chance of the non-immune getting infected is reduced…… maybe they should put covid in School Dinners. So in the interim, I guess the weak and elderly are bye-products as we (me included) take one for the team:-).

However, you have seen where Herd Immunity gets us in MS…all those immunologists doing the same thing….and we have micro-bloody-biome and Th-sodding-17:-)

Now after the Chuckle the Serious stuff.

How long does the virus last?

It has been suggested that virus could be detected airborne for up to three hours. Up to 24 hours on cardboard and two to three days on stainless steel and plastic. So shows the importance of washing hands and cleaning surfaces.

The “Contain” Phase has gone and has been lost…so now the “Delay” phase

“The current advice from the UK Government for anyone who shows certain symptoms to self-isolate for 7 days, regardless of whether they have travelled to affected areas. This means we want people to stay at home and avoid all but essential contact with others for 7 days from the point of displaying mild symptoms, to slow the spread of infection”.

The symptoms are:

  • a high temperature (37.8 degrees and above)
  • a new, continuous cough

“You do not need to call NHS 111 to go into self-isolation. If your symptoms worsen during home isolation or are no better after 7 days contact NHS 111 online at 111.nhs.uk. If you have no internet access, you should call NHS 111. For a medical emergency dial 999″.

“In the coming weeks, the Government will be introducing further social distancing measures for older and vulnerable people, asking them to self-isolate regardless of symptoms”.

So if you are still around, in a bit when the SH1 really hits the fans, they want you to hiberate. So be prepared.

“They say if the Government introduces this next stage too early, the measures will not protect us at the time of greatest risk but could have a huge social impact. We need to time this properly, continue to do the right thing at the right time, so we get the maximum effect for delaying the virus. We will clearly announce when we ask the public to move to this next stage”.

Remember chaps …Keep those Upper Lips Stiff and Charge at the Machine Gun (in 1914-1918), when I blow the Whistle.

So it seems that no expense is to be spared to the NHS, however, not alot of expense has been spent on screening people, I guess if you don’t know how bad the shit is, we can’t get so worried. However, is seven days long enough to stop virus shedders entering the community…where is the evidence?

I guess the experiment could have been done….Ireland had essentially no cases and decided to postpone the Ireland v Italy Rugby Game, but as the flights were booked and non-refundable hotels were booked. I am told Dublin was a glow with blue and white two weeks ago and no doubt quite a few dressed in Green from the North.

Conspiracy Time…..Why Iran?…I guess some country (guess who), may have been helping the Iranians avoid the Embargos:-).

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  • It’s sounds very much like thinning of the herd to me.
    Old and people with underlying health conditions (so that’s us I suppose) expected to take part in the herd-immunity experiment.

    New rumours are that when they finally shut the schools here in the UK it’s going to be 16 weeks?? (which is what Northern Ireland are looking at ) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-51881805 Which if started on Monday would take us to start of July…that that whey they want to put it off as long as possible so that those 16 weeks get into the 6 weeks holidays…so in effect 22 weeks?

  • I know you like a bit of evidence…… Where has the information come from about persistence of the virus on cardboard. Not be facetious, just interested.

    • Its a paper on a pre-print server….not peer-reviewed as yet
      Aerosol and surface stability of HCoV-19 (SARS-CoV-2) compared to SARS-CoV-1
      Neeltje van Doremalen, Trenton Bushmaker, Dylan Morris, Myndi Holbrook, Amandine Gamble, Brandi Williamson, Azaibi Tamin, Jennifer Harcourt, Natalie Thornburg, Susan Gerber, Jamie Lloyd-Smith, Emmie de Wit, Vincent Munster. MedRXiv
      doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217

  • And now they are saying if we have symptoms to not call NHS 111, and just self isolate. Only if symptoms get bad to call 111.
    But this would mean if we don’t call 111 at the start, then we don’t get tested and no official record will be made of the infection. Leading to incorrect numbers/ statistics of those infected.

    This is a dangerous strategy.

    • Yep that it what I wrote about to not call 111, they don’t want statisitics to find who and who is not infected as you say

      • Mr Whitty already said he expects 80% to be infected, maybe he believes resources are best used treating people rather than organising testing and counting.
        I am not sure that feeding numbers to the media is particularly helpful at this point with the way they are using them.

  • How odd that they don’t list shortness of breath along with fever and (dry) cough as key symptoms. In North America we’re told repeatedly that shortness of breath is what most distinguishes COVID-19 from other viruses that cause upper respiratory infections.

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